nd that to me was the true essence of john conyers. i was tremendously impressed with john because he was always for the underdog. he was always for the little guy. always for the little person. always representing those who were left out, those who were unheard, those even who were unheard of. i don't think there was any place in america where action was going on that john didn't go. as a matter of fact, at the time when we were electing the first african-american mayor in the city of chicago, john was there every week. we thought he had move t.d. chicago, that he didn't live in detroit. every week from the time i guess he left here, and churches and churches and block parties and every place that you could possibly turn, there was john conyers. best n has given the very that you can give. -- and sons, d -- and other members of his family, we say thank you for lending all f us john. and i guess the poet had john in mind when he pened the words i end with. there are hermits that live alone, in the peace of their self-content, there are

first on that list was the great john conyers. i still feel that, john, every day, the honor of being able to serve with you knowing the great history. i just want to say that you can read his biography. you can go to wikipedia. but i want to mention what a tiger and champion he is right now in the congress. it is one thing to be there in 1965. frankly, i am jealous. that must have been a time when almost every day there was the passage of transformative legislation that has shaped our country even today. it is not so easy now to have that kind of dedication and passion. many of us have seen john has been a fighter when it comes to the government surveillance and leading legislation to put limits on government surveillance of all americans. john was the leader on health care for so long and still is. single-payer? that is john conyers. [applause] h.r. 676. we have been fighting for that. i still think we are heading in the right direction. john is now the ranking member and hopefully we are still going to see him as the chairman on

[laughter] that is a tremendous complement to john conyers. thank you, john conyers. [applause] >> was going to pull the string? >> i'm going to bring up your family now. this is monica conyers. john conyers iii. carl conyers. give them a round of applause. [applause] all set? let's make sure we get this right. >>. go. -- >> here we go. [applause] >> that is good. >> great. >> if you don't mind, i've been asked if i could get everyone's attention for one moment because it is appropriate that we started with invocation and it is appropriate that we end with benediction. the benediction is not the end. it is really the beginning. it is when you turn out and do the work that we are here to do. ladies and gentlemen, let me bring forth the bishop of and senior pastor of greater grace temple of detroit michigan. bishop charles ellis iii for the benediction. >> as we bring this portion of the event and this sacred unveiling of this portrait, i asked that you touch each other and connect one with the other. where there is unity, there is strength. [indiscernible] lord, we than

john conyers iii and also carl conyers.ive them all a round of applause as i present them. >> let's do it. >> i'm sorry, what did you want? oh, okay. oh s this how they do it? all right. all set? all right. let's make sure -- >> all right. here we go. >> here we go. [ applause ] >> oh, man. >> that is good. >> does that not look like a portrait? >> it does. >> does conyers get to speak? >> he should get to say something. >> benediction time. >> all right. >> if you don't mind, we're going to -- i've been asked if i could just get everyone's attention for one moment, because it is appropriate that we -- we started with invocation, and itinvocation and it is appropriate that we end with benediction. and as you know the benediction is not the end, it's really the beginning. it's when you turn out and do the work that we're here to do. ladies and gentlemen, let me bring forth the bishop and senior pastor of greater grace temple of detroit, michigan, bishop charles ellis iii for the benediction. >> as we bring this portion of th

[laughter] and that is a tremendous complement to john conyers -- compliment to john conyers. thank you, john. [applause] >> who is going to pull the string? >> i'm going to bring up your family now. this is monica conyers. come up, please. john conyers the third. also carl conyers. give them a round of applause. [applause] i'm sorry, what did you want? oh ok. is this how they do it? alsol set? >> here we go. >> here we go. [applause] [inaudible conversation[ ] [inaudible conversation] >> does conyers get to speak? >> he showed. -- should. >> if you don't mind, i have been asked if i could just get everyone's attention for one moment. because it is appropriate that we started with invocation, it is appropriate we end with benediction. as you know, the benediction is not the end, it's really the beginning. it is when you turn out and do the work we are here to do. ladies and gentlemen, let me bring forth the bishop and senior pastor of greater grace temple of detroit, michigan bishop charles ellis the third for the benediction. >> as we bring this portion of this event and this

nd that to me was the true essence of john conyers. i was tremendously impressed with john because he was always for the underdog. he was always for the little guy. always for the little person. always representing those who were left out, those who were unheard, those even who were unheard of. i don't think there was any place in america where action was going on that john didn't go. as a matter of fact, at the time when we were electing the first african-american mayor in the city of chicago, john was there every week. we thought he had move t.d. chicago, that he didn't live in detroit. every week from the time i guess he left here, and churches and churches and block parties and every place that you could possibly turn, there was john conyers. best n has given the very that you can give. -- and sons, d -- and other members of his family, we say thank you for lending all f us john. and i guess the poet had john in mind when he pened the words i end with. there are hermits that live alone, in the peace of their self-content, there are

john conyers is 90. the governor, the lieutenant governor, the centers, the members of the house of representatives, the leaders of the congressional black caucus, the mayor, the county executive, the chief federal judge, reverend jackson, professor michael eric dyson would deliver the eulogy. don't worry. it says professor but it means preacher. you'll be just fine. i'd like to thank the people of detroit for electing him 27 times. [applause] i'd like to thank you for giving him space and the support, not just to faithfully represent this district, but to represent people all across our country, and even around the world, on the things that we should all care about. he was out there banging the drum against apartheid in south africa long before it was a widely popular cause. [applause] he always supported the people of haiti, even when he could not support their government. he said the people deserve a better deal, and the united states should be a good neighbor. [applause] he worked for all of our citi

john conyers, gone.atrick healey, cnn political analyst and cnn political commentators amanda carpeter and patty solis doyle. nancy pelosi ultimately did call for him to step down, the speaker of the house paul ryan did call for john conyers to step down and then just now, after a somewhat meandering intro right there, john conyers made clear that he is leaving the house of representatives and incidentally endorsing his son to replace him. >> yeah. i don't know what to make of this interview. it seems like he's -- he was completely unaware of the current environment we're living in, where men are -- who are accused of sexual harassment are losing their jobs, are being au stro sized or rooung, harvey weinstein and kevin spacey, and he just seems completely unaware he's choosing to retire rather than resign and me, as a woman, as a mother, that really angers me. we have several credible women accusing him of sexual harassment and he is -- he clearly did a very friendly interview where the questions were ve

memories ofnduring john conyers that are entirely personal. one was when he and his beautifully dressed young friend there went with me or took me to , because i auto show was -- as a kid, i grew up dad'sg around, with my old buick business in a town of 6000, and later when he moved and ran the parts department, my job was to take inventory. it was a big deal back then. i can remember when you could still fix your own car, and everything is automated, and it was a car. you were supposed to be able to fix it if you bought it. the second thing i remember is that in an incredible gift, he got lionel hampton, who was then nearing 90, to come play for me at the white house, and -- [applause] former pres. clinton: it was ,998, and the band was there and no longer young, he was still in great form, and he asked me to sit in with the band, and i think we played "my sunny valentine," but here is the interesting thing. i thought a lot about this. jazz is an interesting form of music. there is a tune you have to know , a key you have got to play it in, a

john conyers coming back and ethics investigation ongoing for john conyers, but not yet, right? not yet for al franken. what do we know about those, first of all, the conyers investigation, where is that at? why hasn't the al franken ethics investigation started yet? >> as far as the conyers investigation is concerned, the house committee on ethics says that is open. people are saying these things can take a very long time and they're calling for the ethics committee to do this quickly and not in their slow pace that normally happens. as far as the senate ethics committee and al franken, democrats and republicans and even al franken has said, okay, please open an ethics investigation and i will cooperate. and we will see how that progresses. how quickly that progresses. it will be interesting to see what al franken says tomorrow. what he tells reporters. he's always been quite shy with the national press in the past year. so, after he won re-election he's been more open with national reporters. we'll see if he takes questions. i know that there's going to be press surrounding hi

the position roy moore is in is very different from the position john conyers is in not to mention moore'svement with minors. but nonetheless, what conyers is accused of doing is appalling. here's thing. i'm very glad he stepped aside. i think we have more to do there, i don't think we're done yet, and i think ethics investigation is the way to go. but i don't want to make this just about john conyers and barton and franken and all that. this institution needs basic reform. i mean, this kind of stuff has been going on for a long time. imagine having a slush fund where nobody has to know what the settlements are. that's outrageous. i hope this doesn't come down to kick out a few congressmen or getting them to resign. if that's all that happens, we have failed. this congress needs to be completely redesigned and completely transparent. and it is far from transparent. that's what i really want is a transparent congress with where if somebody does this kind of stuff, they don't get to pay somebody $278,000 and be in office 20 years later. >> you elaborate on the sentiments exprsdsed by dan kil

should al franken follow what john conyers is doing by stepping down from committee? from the four committees he is on? >> at this point i think no. i initially thought he should step down to sort of spare democrats the anxious so having to defend him and having to point out the subtleties, having to make these arguments about degrees of abuse and culpability but i think at this point it's pretty well established that what he did is not in the same realm as either what roy moore did or even what john conyers has been accused of. even to flatten those two things is misleading and so on the one hand i think this puts democrats in an excruciating position and it's then difficult to explain to the congressional black caucus why conyers has to step down but not franken and there's so much about what aboutism on every side but we have to make these distinctions. >> 15 seconds, tamika. why are we listening to well? why could we hear today than what we couldn't hear before? >> i have to give the women's march credit for that. all of this is difficult, as michelle said, all of

john conyers is an icon in our country. he's done a great deal to protect women in the violence against women act, which the right-wing is now quoting me as praising him for his work on that. he did great work on that. but the fact is as genjohn revi his kay -- >> how is it that you don't? >> he will do the right thing. >> the right thing, resign? >> he will do the right thing in terms of what he knows about his situation. he is entitled to due process, but women are entitled to due process as well. >> he took advantage of a situation where he had -- the rules of congress and i know you guys want to change these rules, but he got to hide his settlement. his accusers had to go through all sorts of craziness so why is he entitled to new due process in this case? >> we are talking about what we have heard. i've asked the ethics committee to review that. he has said he will be open -- he will cooperate with any review. >> do you believe john conyers' accusers. >> i don't know who they are. they have not really come forward. >>

makes claims that when she worked for john conyers she was abused.aid she was not abused but she was, did recount walking to his office and he was sitting in his underwear. i don't know exactly how that doesn't fall into the category. the fact is she said she rang all the bells, all the alarms, she went to gebhardt's office and she alerted everyone. all of it should be investigated and we should find out where the breakdowns occurred. it is very serious. >> bret: let's be honest, this policy, the process, if you are an accuser to go through on capitol hill is arcane and it's kind of ridiculous. >> to think so many of these people are sitting around lecturing the rest of america about how they should handle these sorts of situations, it's pretty comical. >> bret: let's play the sound bite from the candidates in the alabama senate race, roy moore and doug jones. >> i think the establishment consists in the democrats and republicans want to keep the same people in there. they didn't want a conservative rebel they couldn't manage. i've never been managea

obvious they're going to be asked about john conyers, what do you expect on the conyers front, there was an allegation, we know there was a settlement a couple of years ago, what do you expect to happen here? >> it's something that's permeating every striindustry. and something that -- when you see swift organizations to fire people involved in this bad behavior and you're not seeing that same responsibility held to members of congress. democrats have come under fire this week for their handling of john conyers, particularly since this is an issue on which they wanted to stake the moral high ground. remember, over the past several campaign cycles, we have seen this kind of alleged war on women as it pertains women, a and -- and questions about how this has been handled. so i think you're going to see more calls for him and for people like al franken to resign their seats, what's difficult here is they are beholden to voters and not necessarily bosses. >> what you're describing is the dynamic in alabama right now, because all of the allegations about roy moore and sexual contact, sexu

james, i want to go to you first, what do you think the significance is of john conyers stepping down as ranking member of the house judiciary committee? >> it's a significant, important sign of the advertisementtimes,. representative conyers thinking about what the political environment means in terms of him having that leadership position. him resigning it provides some future cover for democrats to be a little bit more aggressive and at least appear to be more balanced about this really complicated issue. >> for sure. i want to let all of you know, while we have heard john conyers is stepping aside, just getting word that congressman nadler, who had been the second most senior democratic member of the judiciary committee, he will step in and play the role of ranking member on the committee, he confirmed this in an e-mail, making that statement that he doesn't like the circumstances under which it has happened but he'll do his best to keep things running smoothly. tom, there are clearly allegations levied at conyers. but is due process for the accused now be the standard for everyon

i think there has to be -- john conyers is an icon in our country.e has done a great deal to protect women, violence against women act. >> he got to hide his settlement. his accusers had to go through all sorts of craziness. why is he entitled to new due process in this case? >> no. we are talking about what we have heard. i have asked the ethics committee to review that. >> yeah. >> he has said he would be open -- he will cooperate. >> do you believe john conyers' accusers? >> i don't know who they are, do you? they have not really come forward. >> so you don't know if you believe the accusations? >> well, that's for the ethics committee to review. >> sean: i stand consistent. i say never rush to judgment. i say everybody deserves the presumption of innocence and i stand by that in this particular case. but it is funny that congresswoman pelosi only seems to care about due process, but only when democrats are involved. during that same interview pelosi was asked about a comment she made in 1998 then host of "meet the press" tim russert asked her abo

so what he is saying about all that this morning. >> sandra: on the house side veteran democrat john conyersleadership post on the judiciary committee amidst misconduct allegations. ron desantis sits on that committee and joins us live. >> there are a lot of really troubling issues both with the conyers issue and then in the broader question of how are our tax dollars being used to cover for private misconduct of congressmen and staffers. bp is taking safety to new heights. using drones and robots offshore so engineers can stop potential problems before they start. because safety is never being satisfied and always working to be better. tand, our adulte children are here. so, we save by using tide. which means we use less. three generations of clothes cleaned in one wash. those are moms. anybody seen my pants? nothing cleans better. put those on dad! it's got to be tide. >> sandra: lawmakers pushing for new legislation to force public disclosure of any payments made to settle sexual harassment claims against members of congress and their staffs. this as michigan democratic congressman john c

john conyers. i'm retiring today, endorsing his son, john conyers iii to take his seat in congress. radio host interviewing him locally there he takes the allegations in stride. he says it's the game of politics that we're in. his legacy, he said, can't be compromised. this, too, shall pass. his legacy, he said, will continue through his children. >> bill: it's been in the headlines for so many days now. he stepped down from his post as the democratic leader on the house judiciary committee. so that was really the first move and the first indication he was starting to yield to some pressure from his colleagues on the democratic side. >> sandra: it's been a long time coming. we have been told of multiple announcements. today was the day. we anticipated he would be stepping down and sure enough john conyers announcing i'm retiring today from his hospital room in detroit. we have a reporter on the ground there that will go to that -- listen to that interview and was there. but meanwhile, bill, this has been coming. >> bill: some of these women who have come forward, some of these alleg

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nancy pelosi and john conyers. here's the truth is people on both sides whether it's way more, conyers, franken, whoever it is. a few serious allegations of sexual assault or harassment you don't need to be in public office. the truth is -- a lot easier than the ones in the private sector. >> it is. members of the congress to enjoy special protections in this area. are democrats blowing an opportunity to really lead on this issue here? >> no, i don't think they are because they have been bills already proposed that they would take up next week. >> canton, the best they can do -- hold on come in the best they can do is propose bills about training? think about when nancy pelosi said about john conyers. this is what she said about roy moore. take a listen. >> were you putting politics ahead of their personal discuss? >> we're talking about a child molester. >> president clinton was accused of being a sexual predator. >> wide-awake talking about how we go forward. trade to come on, and fun pitching solidly the allegati

ready soon, john conyers found out that pretty soon, john conyers found out that people were visitingto see rosa parks and not john conyers. [laughter]how about this mr. president? one day she went to him and said she wanted to thank him for allowing her to be honored all over the country and would be willing to take a pay cut for time away from the office. [laughter]because of the leadership of the congressional black caucus and that of leader reid, rosa parks was the first woman to lie in state in the rotunda of the capitol of united states -- of the united states. [applause]on her birth, her mother had song of letting freedom ring. how proud her mother would be to see her baby eulogized at her passing by two presidents, former president clinton and future president barack obama. [applause]imagine that. i had the privilege of speaking at her funeral, too. but what can you say in the company of that greatness? what i said was that legislation had been introduced by jesse jackson junior and senator john kerry - to place the statue of rosa parks in the capital of the united states. [ap

pod there. >> and before i let you go house minority leader nancy pelosi earlier today before john conyers stepped down as a ranking member on the judiciary committee called congressman conyers an icon presumably making reference to his record as a civil rights activist, korean war vet, co-founder of congressional black caucus. do you believe that was appropriate? do you take issue with that? he is definitely an icon. whose hae contributed mightily to this country and made this country a better place. when you think about where we would be if it wasn't for rosa parks refusing to get out of her seat. here is a woman that was disrespected by white america and prevented from having a job place in the united states here was jon conyers who decided he would hire her in his office and treat her with the kind of dignity and respect that she deserved. there is no question and i think history will record him as an icon and individual who committed his life to making the united states of america a better place. >> today with the announcement that he was stepping down as the ranking member of the jud

> and new developments today surrounding the sexual harassment allegations against congressman john conyers. the democrat has stepped down as ranking member of the house judiciary committee, while the allegations against him are investigated. conyers says, quote, i cannot in good conscious allow these charges to undermine my colleagues. i am grateful to my colleagues who have called for due process before weighing judgment. house minority tleeleader nancy pelosi also called for due process on "meet the press" earlier today. >> we are strengthened by due process. just because someone is accused, and was it one accusation? is it two? i think there has to be. john conyers is an icon in our country. as john arrives his case, which he knows, which i don't, i believe he will -- >> why don't you? how is it -- >> excuse me, may i finish my sentence? >> sure, sure. >> that he will do the right thing. >> pelosi responded to conyers' decision to step down from the committee saying zero tolerance means consequences. joining me now is leann caldwell. good to talk to you this afternoon. franken says he's

earlier this hour, mike quigley, a congressman from illinois, democrat, basically said if he were john conyerse would step aside. >> right. if the buzzfeed reporting is true that conyers should step aside and i think you'll have more democrats saying that precisely because, one, we're in this climate where congress realizes it's under scrutiny, two, people in congress, congress owned party feel like they have to step occupy and three there's this total lack of transparency in the way these allegations were handled, handled by this closed office on the hill. apparently according to buzzfeed that a settlement was reached using funds out of congressman conyers own budget rather than separate funds, that is sort of the antithat sis of what they expect from their members of congress. >> can i -- can i just raise another point about john conyers? he's 88 years old and anybody who has spent five minutes in congress watching him in action knows he's out of it. he is not -- he is too old to be in congress. he is not up to the job and he is a walking advertisement for term limits. i know the supreme cou

john conyers is an icon in our country. >> do you believe john conyers' accusers? >> do you? they have not really come forward. >> roy moore faces sexual misconduct charges himself and president trump is tweeting his disapproval of moore's challenger, democrat doug jones. trump wrote the last thing we need in alabama and the u.s. senate is a schumer/pelosi pup whoet is weak on crime, weak on the border, bad for our military and wants to raise taxes to the sky. jones would be a disaster. we get to all of this with leann caldwell and ann gerren, james pindel, chris and michael ste e steele. let me start with you here. we're learning about senator franken's strategy in light of what happened today. there's the apology followed by introspection and more apologies after a period of eight days of silence. what is his plan going forward here? he mentions he's going to be back in washington tomorrow. >> that's right. today he spoke just with local press. he hasn't done any national press interviews. tomorrow will be the first time we'll see him on capitol hill since these allegations

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they discuss the work of rosa parks and congressman john conyers. >>> we have three panelists today. i think i have this order right. dr. danielle mcguire. a author, historian, and independent scholar and author of path breaking and deeply influential book "the end of the street." and i think it is kalonji going next. dr. kalonji walton professor at north carolina. and dr. david goldberg, an associate professor at wayne state university. the chair and commenter today is jamon jordan, who is the detroit -- president of the detroit chapter of asala and tour leader and historian on all things detroit. a community scholar out of detroit. a wonderful set of folks going to help us think about politics in detroit and michigan and how to make sense of that. so i'm going to throw it over to the panel now. again, thank you for being here. >> right, thank you, patrick. hello, everybody. my name is jamon jordan. real quick before we start with the panel. i want to thank everybody for coming to this session and hearing a little bit about detroit's politics, and particularly the radical politics.

temporary status, and the wall, that hurts the basic values of america, which is our strength. >> and john conyerssecond allegation from al franken, should these two men continue to serve in congress? >> i just heard about congressman conyers, and these allegations are serious and must be dealt with in a serious manner. i supported the senator ethics committee, and i think that's the appropriate place for the review to take place and recommendations to the full senate as to what actions we should take. i would hope in the house they would use a similar process to evaluate. it's important there be transparency here. clearly we have seen how positions of power have been used to control women in a way that is unacceptable in america. >> what is too much, though? what is too much to serve in congress? >> well, i think the representation of congress is critically important. we all have a responsibility, those that have been given public trust to act in a way that represents that trust. when you use that power to try to take advantage of a woman, that's unacceptable and it must be very clear that's unac

and that is a tremendous compliment to john conyers. thank you, job. [ applause ] >> who's going to pull the string? >> i'm going to bring up your family now. >> all right. >> and this is monica conyers. john conyers, iii and give them all a round of applause to present them. [ applause ] >> i'm sorry. what did you want? oh, is this how they do it? all set? okay. >> all right. here we go. [ applause ] [ applause ] >> does he get to speak -- conyers get to speak? >> he should get to say something. >> ork. all right. >> benediction time. >> all right. >> if you don't mind we're going to -- i've been asked if i could just get everyone's attention for one moment because it is appropriate that we started with invocation, and it is appropriate that we end with benediction. and, as you know, the benediction is not the end. it's really the beginning. it's when you turn out and do the work that we're here to do. >>> ladies and gentlemen let me bring forth the bishop and pastor of greater grace. >> as we bring this portion of the event and this mo

if you did not know, you should that rosa parks campaign for john conyers in 1964. she was able to bring martin luther king jr., who was averse to campaigning for politicians, but she was able to convince him to participate in one of the and go to work for congressman conyers for years. strains ofthese two this panel being connected in history. we are going to move to our last presenters, brother david goldberg. and he is going to let you know what his topic is. thank you. david: thank you. i want to be quick because i want to try to get some questions from the audience. my topic is about the league of revolutionary black workers, from the black guard to the revolutionary worker movement to the league of black workers. let me state a little about the components. the first components of black guard signifies the revolutionary action movement, ram, which had a large role in the early machinations of what would become the black revolutionary union movement. a group of students at wayne state in new york formed a group push the whiteo establishment and the black establi

watch this. >> do you believe john conyers -- >> i don't know who they are. they have not really come forward. >> you don't know if you believe the accusations? >> that's up for the ethics committee to review. the allegations against congressman conyers, as we have learned more since sunday, are serious, disappointing and very credible. it's very sad. brave women who have come forward are owed justice. i pray for congressman conyers and his family and wish them well. however, congressman conyers should resign. >> sandra: thank you for joining us. we have to leave it there. we will be right back. the phone with our allstate agent, and i know that we have accident forgiveness. so the incredibly minor accident that i had tonight- four weeks without the car. okay, yup. good night. with accident forgiveness your rates won't go up just because of an accident. switching to allstate is worth it. alright, i brought in high protein to help get us moving. ...and help you feel more strength and energy in just two weeks! i'll take that. -yeeeeeah! ensure high protein. with

they discuss in detail the work of longtime detroit residents rosa parks and john conyers. this was part of asalh's conference. they also provided the video. >> we have three panelists today. i think i have this order right. dr. danielle mcguire who is a great friend from grad school and colleague. she is an author and historian and an independent scholar now and the author of "tat the dark end of the street." we also have -- i have lost track of who is going. i think it's kalonji is going next. dr. kalonji walton who is the director of global black studies at western carolina. and our third panelist is dr. david goldberg who is an associate professor at wayne state university. the chair and commenter today is jamon jordan who is a -- the detroit -- president of the detroit chapter of asalh and a tour leader and historian of all things african-american detroit. really an incredible community scholar out of detroit. a wonderful set of folks, going to help us think about politics in detroit and michigan and how to make sense of that. i'm going to throw it over to the panel no

you think john conyers and al franken should resign?believe that if these allegations are true, and i have no reason to doubt the women. i don't have any relationship with them other than what i've read and heard. but it's time to say, we are members of congress. we are in an institution that our people back home have put trust in us to represent them. each of our districts are about 700,000 people. we owe them and we owe the american public better than what they're seeing right now. there should be -- i saw you ask your question earlier about zero toleran tolerance. zero tolerance means very simply that the people in congress and the people whether it's the house or senate shouldn't be behaving in this way. and if they think that's okay behave this way, go somewhere else. >> let me ask you this. a debate, you hear the phrase due process thrown around with members of congress, but i've actually talked with people saying, wait a minute. yes, you get due process in a legal standing as an american citizen. but you know what? as a member of

we got al franken and john conyers. these are credible allegations.is what frustrates the heck out of me out of democrats what's the standard for republicans, allegations are made, just allegations. o you are supposed to immediately resign if you are a republican. if you are a democrat not just credible allegations allegations made on the record by people and not only that they back these people up and they get theme reelected. it's a joke. >> i'm the one that says i believe like pam says in the last segment the presumption of innocence. you don't rush to judgment. why i was right in ferguson, in baltimore. freddie gray and the duke lacrosse case. i have argued with my friend darryl here a long time about the zimmerman case. you know, we were right about trump, too. and the media rushes to r judgment. darryl parks. but this is 30 years of defending the indefensible. bill clinton was a predator. period, end of sentence. and most democrats, for all that time, defended him. >> we're in a different point now though, sean. >> sean: forget about theif diffe

they discuss in detail the work of longtime district presidents rosa parks and congressman john conyers. this event was part of the association for the study of african american life and history's annual conference. they also provided the video. >> we have three panelists today. i think i have this order right. doctor danielle mcguire, is a great friend from grad school and colleagues. she is a author and historian and independent scholar now. she's the author of the path of breaking and deeply influential book, at the dark end of the street. we also have, i've lost track of who's gone, i think it's kalonji who's going next. doctor kalonji walton who is the director of global black studies at western carolina. our third panelist is doctor david goldberg, who isn't associated -- associate professor at wayne state university. the term comment or today is jamon jordan, who is the ditch -- the president of the detroit chapter of a sala. he is a tour leader and historian of all things african american in detroit. really an incredible community scholar out of detroit. a wonderful set of folks

>> is john conyers is lying? i'm asking you. are you saying john conyers is lying? are you saying john conyers is lying? next question. >> what about this payout she $27,000 and 2015, change. why was she paid? and the bigger question you might agree with as an attorney, did that come out of his office holder funds and if they did, is that proper and legal, is that akin to embezzlement of those funds if those funds were used? --were used for this purpose? >> embezzlement is not even the correct word in this context. >> is that a proper use of those funds? >> embezzlement is not the right word. you do not know what that means, respectfully. congressman conyers has never embezzled. do you know what that means? >> taking funds from an in prosser -- improper process. >> that is not the proper definition. the house committee is determining those issues as we speak. can i talk? since you don't know what embezzlement means? >> i do. >> no, you don't. no, you don't. here's the deal, congressman conyers, the agreement has been vetted. the agreement this woman came to has been

give john conyers a big round of applause. [applause] >> liz: join what's your reaction to that comment? >> maxine waters has put on a sustained performance of being detached from reality for many months now. she's called for the impeachment of the current president of the united states for no basis, she doesn't live in any proximity, she's filth it rich and in this case, she's singing the praises of a guy who has a settlement which by the way he denied when the news first broke regarding his own sexual allegations. she rarely wants to assess the facts and she of course would back john conyers in a situation like that. >> liz: do you know vince what's really striking is john conyers, the detroit free press says he's got to go because voters in michigan do not have an effective voice. their voice was in congress and it says it's basically citing the report that says the accuser was fired after she rebuffed him and that those claims were made in sworn affidavits by the alleged victims, three other former staffers and also says a

>> the detroit news has a great story that parses out the difference why al franken and not john conyerseing able to stay around in congress. he's being accused of groping. conyers is the power of harassment. marion brown said she believes he enjoyed creating a negative atmosphere for women in his office. howie: the media are making the distinction, they may see a racial aspect here as opposed to franken. >> they talked about who is accusing conyers. franken is white and he's not being asked to leave. but there are other people being a -- accused. blake farenthold of tks. howie: an actress peddles false news about roy moore to the "washington post" and gets busted. howie: matt lauer is the face of nbc news and has been a franchise player for two decades. >> this is the last great battle and one side or the other is going down here. >> the great story for anybody willing to write by the or explain the is the vast right-wing conspiracy. how very they looked stunned as they reported the news that nbc fired their colleague for sexual misconduct. >> how do you reconcile your love for someone

i was wondering, congress member thomas massie and john conyers, if you could describe what the legislationhat you cosponsored, congressman conyers, with commerce member amash. you had the head of the nsa, james clapper, coming to the house members to say -- defeat this pre-yet, it was so close. >> it was seven votes would have made the difference. to be honest, we did not know we were that close to victory. out a "dear colleague" letters urging that the amendment be supported and they were panicked by it. that even in the partisanship that goes on too much around here, that there are people will link to say enough is enough, the law isn't the patriot act isn't -- the patriot act isn't being followed. i didn't support the patriot act, but the patriot act would have gone down if we had known this was going to be part of its program. house,he floor of the you have the house majority leader, you have the speaker of the house, and the house minority leader all got up in really an unprecedented fashion and spoke in favor of keeping these nsa programs going. i was more optimistic, i think, then m